Episode 1: Gilbert and Litter Picking

Discover how one man's passion for litter picking is transforming his community and inspiring others to take action

Meet Gilbert, a local hero with an unusual hobby that’s making a big impact. On Wait, You Do What?, host Mel Loy explores the inspiring story of Gilbert, whose dedication to litter picking is not only cleaning up his neighborhood but also fostering a sense of community and environmental responsibility.

In this episode, Mel delves into Gilbert's journey and uncovers how his simple yet powerful actions are redefining what it means to be a community leader. Through heartfelt conversations, you'll learn how one person's passion can spark change and encourage others to join in.

We explore:

• Gilbert's motivations and the surprising joy he finds in litter picking
• The ripple effect of his actions on community pride and environmental awareness
• How sharing this hobby has built stronger, more connected neighborhoods
• The emotional highs and lows of turning a simple act into a movement
• Practical tips for starting your own community initiative and making a difference

Why does this matter? In a world where small actions often go unnoticed, Gilbert's story shows how embracing a unique passion can lead to meaningful change. His commitment to litter picking not only beautifies the environment but also inspires others to take pride in their surroundings and contribute to a cleaner, greener world.

Perfect for anyone looking to make a positive impact, this episode will motivate you to find your own way to contribute to your community. Tune in and discover how a simple hobby can lead to extraordinary results.

Join us — your next inspiration might just be a piece of litter away.

Mel Loy is a storyteller, community enthusiast, and host of this insightful exploration into the power of individual passions. She’s dedicated to highlighting stories that connect people and inspire action.

You can connect with Mel on LinkedIn and Instagram.

Do you have a weird or wonderful hobby, or do you know someone who does? Then get in touch! Email hello@cuttlefish.group.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to Wait, You Do What? The show where we unearth some of the weird and wonderful hobbies of the people in our communities. I'm your host, Mel Lloyd. I'm recording this on the lands of the Yavera and Terrible People here in the Engine Brisbane. And I love sharing stories. So sit back, relax, enjoy, and laugh, and maybe be a bit inspired by some of the hobbies our guests share with us on this show. Let's get into it. Gilbert! Welcome to the show. Gilbert, tell us a little bit about you. What's your day job? What's what is that that makes Gilbert Gilbert?

SPEAKER_01 0:40

I am an organizational consultant to keep it simple in the fields of change, communications, projects. Um, help organizations realize the strategic goals that they set themselves to uh methods of planning and stakeholder engagement, which I find very enjoyable most days. And when I'm not doing that, I volunteer in a couple of different ways. I do professional volunteering for Change Management Institute here in Queensland. Been doing that for years, really like building community. I uh volunteer for uh Greyhound charity that my wife runs, which is also a lot of fun because Greyhounds don't really need to explain. And then I volunteer for the Rural Fire Service, which uh sounds a lot cooler than it is because it's mostly just training and getting wet and not having a lot of fires, fortunately, although we've been told that there's a massive fire season coming our way, which is never great. But that's why we train to be prepared. And other than that, I do a lot of reading, a bit of writing, um, keep myself entertained and out of trouble most days.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

Most days. Tell us about uh Gilbert growing up. What was what was Baby Gilbert like?

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Um Baby Gilbert was pretty much as you see me today, um, probably more handsome back then. Um I had I was always very curious. This is what my my parents tell me that I was always inquisitive trying to figure things out and taking them apart and sometimes having some parts left. I mean, the thing still worked fine, so I don't I never saw the problem. Um always interested in how other people thought. So that that came to me very early. It was uh not exactly precocious, but I I was a bit ahead of my time when when I was uh when I was a younger child, let's say preteens, always questioning things, and I went to which is really funny in hindsight. I went to a religious school, uh, and I am about as atheist as they come. So um it was a good school, apparently, but uh I spent a lot of time in the hallway for questioning things that were apparently not to be questioned, and I I've never actually let that go. So that carried me into my into my teens, always working um next to my my school time. I always wanted to have my own income because uh at a very early age things weren't great for the family through all sorts of reasons, but I always felt like I need to be financially independent, and I felt that through education and learning I could do that, and to to be my own person. Uh that that stayed with me throughout my life and then during studies, and then as soon as I started working, same thing again. Always been fascinated with why things happen, why people do things uh that they do. And uh yeah, if you if you dig long enough and you uh walk around and talk to another to enough people, you eventually find out exactly what happened. So, yeah, that's me.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Well, let's talk about your weird and wonderful hobby. Tell us what is it?

SPEAKER_01 3:25

My weird and wonderful hobby is litter picking. So uh litter picking. I started doing that at the ripe old age of 35, I think, when I came to Australia. Uh, because in the Netherlands it works slightly different. We have literally bins everywhere, and the the Netherlands is the size of postage stamps compared to Australia. So uh it's very hard to litter anywhere because there's bins everywhere, because there's people everywhere. Uh in Australia, of course, everything is quite different, uh much larger, and there seems to be a slightly different attitude to what you're supposed to use nature reserves for, uh, which is apparently done mattresses and fridges and everything else. So uh other people can come and collect them if they want to, but hardly anyone ever does. So I uh started life in uh Australia in Canberra, in the ACT, and we lived all the way up to Miserations? Uh yes. Well, I actually liked it. Uh I could literally walk to New South Wales from where I lived, so that's how close we were to the border. But I think if you have enough stamina in ACT, you can essentially walk anywhere to New South Wales because it's very, very small. But what what really impressed me was how clean my environment was there. So like a can on the on the street or a piece of plastic or anything that wouldn't really stand out. And I just started picking it up because I felt like, oh, okay, this is a good idea, like keep your environment clean. And uh, there's this whole theory about broken windows. I'm not exactly sure if it's scientifically proven or whatever, but it does make sense to me that if your environment is clean, uh it's just nicer to be around and there's there's no uh trash just lying around or like there weren't a lot of kids playing in the street, but also if you have pets or anything else, you don't want them to step on broken glass or whatever. So that's how it started. And then when I moved to Victoria, uh got a little bit more serious. We started uh volunteering for Beach Patrol, which is uh not unfortunately like Baywatch, nothing like that at all.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

I I was thinking poor patrol, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Uh no, uh it was just beach patrol, and we would clean the beaches once every week, uh once every month, and it would draw a really big crowd. And strangely enough, a lot of kids, uh like parents trying to keep teach their kids about uh ecology and and how the whole system worked together. And if the ocean's right there, because we lived on the bay, um, yeah, it's it's very hard not to be connected to the like that cup that's over there is gonna eventually end up over there. So I started doing that on a daily basis because I also walked um every day, went on my uh routes across um town and sometimes through the city and where wherever I could literally walk because um it just kept me mentally healthy uh for basically everything. I I like to walk and think through things, but I didn't just like the walking for its own purpose of like okay, now I'm just around here like a weirdo walking around at 4 30 in the morning and what are all these people thinking. So um I thought, how can I make this more enjoyable, practical, and do something good? So I got a$3 litter gripper because that's how most litter pickers start from the dollar store, and of course that broke, so it became litter itself. Like, this is not very practical. I need to get a better one. So I went to litterpicker.com and I bought that's a thing. That is a thing.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Uh okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

You can buy a$45 litter picker there, and it is nearly indestructible. I've had five, and the ones that got broken was mostly because they either got caught in the garage door or someone drove their car over it, or I used it inappropriately. But it's they are almost indestructible. They're my favorite tool, and that's that's when I started to like have more reach, and I can actually pick up things that you normally wouldn't pick up. And there are some pretty disgusting items that we don't have to get into, but like nappies, uh dog poo bags, these sort of things, but other other things as well. Um it's it's an interesting uh conundrum. Like, do I pick this up? Is this safe? Um, like when you walk across uh syringes, for example, that you find, uh, and it wasn't that there were so many, but like every month I would find one or two, and you're not even sure what's what's in them or what people use them for. Could be anything, but you don't want them lying around on the street, especially near the beach, because people walk around in bare feet. So there's this community sense of like keeping the community safe, but it was mostly just more for myself, like I'd like to see my environment being clean. It was before the container collection scheme came in, the the refund scheme. So I threw away hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars in cans into the recycling bin because every week uh I live near a train track. So uh what people would do there, and uh I've never found this person, unfortunately, because I lived there for six years and was like, if I ever find this person, uh they they must have lived close by because there was this little uh strip of green, and I would walk uh past there a couple of times a week, and it would always be like Red Bull cans, cigarette packs, um, some chewing gum cards would always be the same content. Like, I need to at some point find this person because I'm out all hours of the day, but I've never found them. And apparently, um after a while, because I'd been doing litter picking for a while and I became a spokesperson for um Beach Patrol at some point, because volunteering, I mean, if you just stick around long enough, you become important just by default, and uh started organizing the events as well. But then because I wanted to know what I was talking about, started looking into the psychology of littering and why people do it, and it's a really strange thing. Like people, even uh people like First Nation people in Australia, they litter and not because they don't like the land or they don't they have no connection with the land, but it's a thing of autonomy. Um, it's uh like taking back authority, like I can litter where I want, I do this, and other people just do it out of convenience or because they don't have two brain cells to rub together. Uh, it's something that most people grow out of. Uh, that's why they're trying to teach younger children at the start. So I I became sort of like a litter scholar, for want of a better word. And then, of course, the fun part about it was that you would go and walk around and you walk there with a white bag and a litter gripper. So some people think you're part of the council and uh they criticize you for missing a can because what are you getting paid for? Sometimes I would engage, sometimes we just go like thank you and move on. But of course, after a while, people start to recognize you and so many positive things as well. People just stopping, saying, like, hey, that's really good, thank you for doing that, or uh, you've inspired me to do this. I've now got a little group, a little walking group, like, whoa, okay, I wasn't aware of that. So if you if you stick around in your environment long enough, uh it's it's a very engaging thing to do and could be very lucrative as well, because over time, and I've been doing it for 10 years now, I've found about$450 in cash. Wow. Uh, I have to say, in that$450, and it was like straight out of a movie, it was um when I'd already moved to Queensland, uh, there's a there's an area behind a shopping center, it's just a road, like uh a two-lane both ways. And I see this twenty dollar note. I'm like, okay, that's not the first time that's happened. So, like, hey, cool, all right, getting paid today, nice, put it in my pocket. And then I see a$50 note, like slightly further down the road. I'm like, okay, this is weird. So I pick it up, put it in my pocket, and then I see a hundred dollar note, like, okay, this is getting weirder and weirder. And it was like a whole succession of notes, and it was like$275. So I'm looking around, like, is there maybe someone around who has lost his money? Because I mean, it's not mine. And I what I made my my rule because it wasn't the first time that I found money, and you you don't find a lot, but every now and then you just find 10, 20, sometimes 50 bucks. I once, it was very sad. I found um like one of those pen cases from a from a school child, and there was a name on it, but no surname, and there was uh like 47 dollars something in there, so it must have been a lot of money to them. And they're like, I have no way of returning this. So I tried Facebook. I said, Look, I found um a pen case with some money in it. If it's yours, please contact me. But nobody ever did. It's like, well, okay. And then I just donated to charity because I mean I don't need that money. And and the first homeless person that I came across in Brisbane had a very good day because here you go. Uh so yeah, that's that's how I got into litter picking. That's a very long answer to your question.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

No, but that's great. So, um so you went we were part of the beach patrol in Victoria, then you moved to Queensland and you just start doing it around your own neighborhood, or is there a group here that you've joined?

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Uh, there is no group that I know of, uh, but there are other people, like uh it's sort of like um the the secret collective. You see people walking around, and a lot of people do it for the cans because they have uh monetary value. And sometimes uh when I see a person doing that and I pick up about six to seven cans every morning when I when I go for a walk and do it. So you're not gonna be rich about it. But some people have like a whole process around it. Drive around uh on collection day in their youths and they go through people's uh recycling bin and so like, yeah, why not? I mean the money's right there. Uh so sometimes I just hand over my cans and say, like, oh, we probably need them, but I also hand them in to my uh fire brigade because we've got a person there uh who does collection of plastic bottles because we go through a lot of bottled water uh as firefighters, especially when we're out at a fire, you can have a lot. We don't just like throw them out into nature, we take them back and we hand them in, and it doesn't make us a lot of money, it's like$400,$500 a year, but we pay our social club out of it, so that's nice. So I collect bottles and then I just bring it to the brigade and our 82-year-old brigade member Moose, uh his name is not really Moose, but everyone called him Moose. Uh, he he takes it to uh the the collection point and then becomes money for us. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

Nice. So is there uh any competitiveness among among litter pickers?

SPEAKER_01 12:37

What what gives me hive sometimes is when you're you're walking along the road and people only pick up the cans. Like we're we're between two schools where I live, so school kids have a different uh set of priorities to other people, and also what you find generally is people who already make bad food choices, what we consider bad food choices, so energy drinks, um uh sugary drinks, um fast food, snacks, those sort of things, that's generally what you find. It's hardly ever that you find rappers from Gondola bars or um healthy, healthy living options. Um so what what gives me the crap is when you see a person just cherry picking through and it's like I'll just do this, or they make it even worse. Uh but there there is this thing where some people would criticize when I would walk around and they'd go like, Oh, these people are disgusting and they're doing all this. And my two thoughts were always like, Well, I'm here, you could have done this too. Nothing's really stopping you aside from convenience. But also, what you're seeing is 10% of everything. 90% of people do the right thing, and then the other 9% out of that 100% are birds. I have seen cockatoos, I've seen ravens, I've seen magpies working together to open bins to get in there, and they just pull out the stuff. It is sort of fun to watch because I love cockatoos are such bogans, they're like the bogus of the world. They are and they just tear everything apart and they just rip through it and you see things flying out of a bin, you're like, what is happening here? But people don't see that because they do it early in the morning. And also, people are a bit dumb when you put your bin out, don't leave the lid halfway open because they'll get in there and it will be a bomb explosion. Uh, so yeah, that there is a little bit of judgment going on between the litter pickers. You've got like the pure litter pickers, like myself, who are of course angelic and virtuous, uh, but we just pick up everything. Uh, but it it can become really involved. Like a little while ago, somebody decided that their Bunnings barbecue stuff that they uh had three bin bags full of was much better placed in the side of the road where the birds would, of course, get to it, and it was out in the sun and there were maggots everywhere. It's like this is not healthy. There's a whole mob of kangaroos living nearby. It's like I don't I don't want this to get into our neighborhood. So because I have a lot of time on my hands at the moment, went down there with my roll of bin bags, spent about 45 minutes cleaning it all up, then you have to carry it back up the hill. I mean, I can see how most people just go like this is too hard. I'm just gonna pick the seven cans out of here and be done. But I try to keep the neighborhood nice and clean. And yeah, I mean, if the kids see me working there, sometimes they stop, have a conversation, like, why are you doing this? Like, well, because I like to keep things quiet. Oh, sometimes I throw things on the ground. It's like, well, it's a bit it's a bit sad that you do that because I mean this is your area as well. Like, look at nature there, it doesn't belong in nature, so maybe try not to do it, bring it back to school, throw it in a bin there. And like, maybe I will try that. I'm like, well, hopefully. You can only try.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

That's it. What's the weirdest thing you've ever found other than stack at cash?

SPEAKER_01 15:36

There's there's two things that uh were really weird. Like, one was a whole collection, and I think it was easily like 75 or maybe a hundred adult video materials, DVDs, like and you're walking near a nature area, right? So there's this lake, it's Cherry Lake in uh in Altona where I used to live. And it's like, this is so random. Well, why here? Like, there are other places where you can just and on your way there, you come across like five, six bins. So, like, why? Uh and the other uh really interesting one before, and that just shows how naive I sometimes am uh at uh slightly further down the road on the other side of a train track. Um, there's this um crossing, and there were like 17 bottles of deodorant all in one place. And it was before I realized that people huffed the stuff uh to get high.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Uh, of course.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Like, wow, this person must have really needed deodorant because they're like 17 bottles here in one place, and then the the third one would be those little cartridges um that people now use to make nangers. Uh, again, I had to learn all this. Uh, they would fill the balloons with um nitrous oxide and then just huff it because hey, who cares if your brains could potentially seize and you would die? So, yeah, I found a lot of those. I think I found well, at least 1500 in my time while I was literally they they really throw a party that, or maybe someone's putting out their supply or doesn't want people to find out about it. So you find some pretty random stuff, but one thing that I'll uh share with uh with your audience is the most destructive thing ever are cigarette butts. So every time we would patrol the beach, we would find about a thousand to twelve hundred.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

And uh first of all, they're a pain to pick up, even if you have a super lip litogripper like myself. And uh the kids even like they had these little C's that would work really well, you could just find them everywhere, but they're made of plastic, so that's the real problem because to a fish or uh uh the turtle or anything, a bird, it looks like food. So they eat it, get stuck in them. It's like just like I know smoking is is difficult to quit for people, and I get it, and it's already super expensive. So if you're committed, you're committed, but just like take him home, mate, or just throw them in a bin. Or I mean it doesn't matter if you set the bin on fire, it's me saying that as a fire eater, the bin's gonna burn down. That's about it. But just don't throw them on the ground. It's it's such a learned behavior.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

It really is, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, that's really interesting. Thank you. Um, next question. What do you enjoy about litter picking?

SPEAKER_01 18:00

I'm a very organized and clean person. I like things to be in their proper spot. Uh, and litter just offends me when I see it's like that's not supposed to be there. Uh, like earlier today, um, and it's not so much this was leaf litter in this case. Uh, so we've got new neighbors, and I think their mom is living with them. She looks to be 175 years old, and she's out there with a mini rake, raking this massive high heap of leaves. And I was out in the yard doing other stuff, so I just walked over to her with my super rake because I hate gardening, so I have really good tools to make the job shorter. And I just helped her out, and now the street looks neat and nice again, and everything is sorted, and it just looks nicer. I think I just like that sort of thing. With a little bit of effort, you can make it look a lot better, and it's not um dissimilar to the work that I do in change management. Like, it doesn't take monstrous effort to make things a little bit better. I mean, there's some people who go with that 1% better every day, and like don't know if I subscribe to that, but 1% cleaner every day, that would be nice. And it's just it boggles the mind. Like, we've got a skate park uh nearby, and that that's like a fixed area, right? You go there, you go and enjoy there, you hang there with your mates. Why would you litter there? Because you're right there, it's it's your space, it's like I don't know, pooping in your own yard or pooping in your own house. It's like, why would you do that in your own bedroom? Just like, no, just keep it clean, keep it organized so it's fun for everyone, and you don't have to worry about cutting yourself on jagged metal or glass or whatever. But it's um, yeah, there's a whole psychology that we don't need to go into why people do it, and I understand that, so it's also uh the the other part that I enjoy about it, it gives me a moment to um reflect on my own values every time I feel myself judging. I go, like, don't need to judge, just pick it up or leave it there. You don't need to be the person who tells other people what to do. You either commit and clean it up and don't worry about it, and one day you end up on a podcast talking about your litter picking. That's how it happens.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Love it. Um, and what skills do you reckon you've learned from it or you know, ideas that you've had from doing litter picking that you've been able to apply to other areas of your life?

SPEAKER_01 20:07

I think um you you get really good at prioritizing, especially when your bag gets fuller and there's not that much that you need to put in. So you you start looking like, okay, so this is a piece of paper, this is a piece of plastic. I'm gonna take the piece of plastic, I'll leave the piece of paper. Uh, you get you get really good at um stakeholder engagement when you meet people in the community, because a lot of people have opinions, and sometimes I felt like helping them uh get a little bit smarter about it because people have all sorts of opinions that are just not based on fact. They always blame the kids somehow. It's like, well, actually, it's mostly adults, and they're like, Well, no, no, that's not true because I saw two kids litter, like, yeah, I've seen 75 adults litter on my way just here. So it's I mean, I'm I'm guessing the kids are not the ones dropping the adult DVDs in the bushes and doing all this. I don't know about that, could be, but I already said it was naive. But um, yeah, the the skills that you learn is you you plan and you prioritize, and you also uh reserve judgment because you don't know, like a lot of people are like, Oh well, people are disgusting, and the earlier that morning I saw two birds going at it and just ripping everything to shreds, like people weren't even involved, and yeah, you you learn to have a bit more perspective sometimes, like especially on the beach days. People are not thinking about litter and to be all like, oh, my favorite one. The council should just put more bins out, and it is scientifically proven. It doesn't matter if you give everyone a personal bin, they will still throw it on the ground because it's not always them throwing it on the ground, it falls out of their bags, they put it down, they get distracted. The amount of flip flops that I found, you could probably start a flip flop shop with this mobile phones, everything that people just yeah, everything that people leave behind because I don't know how this works. Underwear, like all sorts of items. Like, how do you lose that? Well, how do you lose?

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Maybe we're just naive.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

No, no, no. What happens is people have it in their bag and they they look for things, it falls out. And I've I've seen this happen a lot because, like I said, I like to observe people, and especially when you when you run the event, the litter picking event, one person has to stay behind with all your stuff because the kids come back and then they don't know what to do and they just toss it out onto the beach because they're four years old. So one person always had to stay back, and sometimes it was me. And then you just observe what people are doing and you see it happen while you're there. Like what particularly annoyed me was the people who then needed to make a point. So they're smoking and they walk past you, they'll look at you, and then throw the cigarette on the ground, and they step on it, try trying to elicit some sort of reaction, and I would just friendly smile at them and say, like, I'll pick that up for you, thank you, and then just move on with your day. So, yeah, you get to practice your patience as well.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

Okay, so for people who are listening to this and going, I feel like I should get into litter picking because it aligns with my values. Gilbert's made it seem really fun. Where would they start?

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Okay, get some garden gloves from um bunnings, start in your own neighborhood. Um at Cole's, you can buy white medium bags at$2.80 for a row of 30. So it's very cheap. And yes, there are plastic bags. I get it, but try blurter picking with paper bags and see how you go. You're not gonna enjoy it. So, yes, you're doing a little bit of harm, but they go into the bin, and that's still better than it being outside. Uh, so for about ten dollars, you can be done. If you want to go full hardcore, because you'll with gloves you can pick up most stuff. Don't don't go into the bushes, especially in Queensland. There might be stuff in there that you're not prepared for. Um don't uh pick up stuff that you're not comfortable with, just leave that there. But if you want to go the extra mile, you can get litter grippers for about 20 bucks. If you want to get the the alloy uh aluminium ones, they're about 40 bucks. Um you can bring a bucket if you don't want to use uh plastic bags, and just traverse your street and see what's there, or go to a nature park near you or or a play park where there's other stuff. There's always stuff to find, and it's in especially important, like the bottles are nice and the the candy wrappers and the chips bags, but it's especially the smaller parts because I have a really big heart for for nature and conservation, and those are the things that birds eat and little animals like like lizards, they try it on and they either joke on it or it gets stuck in their in their throat and they die. It's very sad. So those are the ones that you want to capture, and and the cigarette bots. I mean, you'd be amazed now that you know, and you walk around your area, you'll see you'll see them everywhere. There's like tens of thousands across the street. So that's a good place to start. And you don't have to um enter in the litter picking Olympics because what you'll find is when you do it, you'll feel like most vegans every day. You'll feel like you have the moral high ground and you can just judge everyone else. Like, look at me being virtuous and righteous. But you are in a in a way that you are, and after a while, when you've done it long enough, you just do it for yourself and you you no longer need uh a validation.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Sounds like a good school holiday activity. Anytime a kid says they're bored. Let's go pick up some litter.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

This is uh in in Melbourne, this was a real thing where if you ended in a bucket of um litter, you would get a free coffee, or um, they've they've even teached taught uh birds to bring in um bottle caps, cigarette butts, and they would get like a grape or something, so there is definitely gamification in this.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Okay. Birds are loved. It wouldn't be the cocktails and then it can't.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

No, no, no, no. They would just like destroy the bucket that came with and just fall over and hit the ball.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Did you did you really like that bucket?

SPEAKER_01 25:32

I'm gonna take it and break it.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

None anymore. Oh, Gilbert, thank you for sharing your weird and wonderful hobby with us.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Absolutely.